Thursday, February 17, 2011

Projection

One of the most interesting things to me about my conversation with Zak is how people often take what you are saying, ignore it, and see what they want to see instead. Even though Zak sometimes misunderstood me, the comments of others on both Zak's and Mandy's blog (including Mandy) indicate that what I was saying soared right past their ears and into their imagination. They take arguments they have had with other people, imagine that you are those other people, and project the beliefs of the other people onto you. Rather than try to understand what you are actually saying, they imagine what you would have said because you are clearly just like those other people they know.


Do you think there is a mechanical way to represent this in an RPG?

Right now, all the ideas I have are based on GM improvisation.

You come to town after a long dungeon expedition, tell people that you fought so many monsters you didnt know which way was up. Then you come back a short while later and they are arguing about whether someone is a witch. When you ask what they have done, they claim you told them about how there was a witch up around here.

But that is just simple miscommunication. What about you say that you will support the Duke's effort to clear out the forest, only to find out that rebellious nobles are plotting to assassinate you because you are supporting the Duke's harsh taxes. You try to argue that you are against the taxes, but they call you a flip-flopper. Certainly, this would be annoying.

But both of those examples are based on clever GMing. How could you incorporate it into the actual game? Into actual mechanical interactions with NPCs?

I don't know. Impress me!

8 comments:

  1. "people often take what you are saying, ignore it, and see what they want to see instead."

    my god man, we are talking about the six years I patrolled the south bronx ;)

    hey... aren't you suuposed to be working on projects? get to work! heh

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  2. Having read most of the debate and comments, I am 100% on your side, Greg.

    For Mandy and Zak to preach that they're part of a sexual revolution when they get PAID to exploit themselves to an impartial audience is naïve.

    For Mandy and Zak to claim they're part of a sexual revolution without going out of their way to particularly explain the unique social situations and relationships between them and fellow performers is naïve.

    For Mandy and Zak to assume that they exist in a vacuum of self actualization and confidence where this is all a rationalized matter of preference is naïve.

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  3. I left a comment on Mandy's blog as well stating this, but I'm unsure if she will post it. This is what I wrote:

    "You're making this a personal issue, a career choice, a matter of personal preference, when other women are damaged by the negative portrayal as merely and only sex objects.
    There is a difference between 1.) personal enjoyment of art and sex 2.) the portrayal of art and sex, and 3.) the actual embodiment in social structure of the acts of sex. You have innocent and idealistic visions of your art and sexuality. I find your sexuality empowering, but I also find it naïve.

    There is a connection between your career and the benefits you gain from the sustained existence of these images in their current context. You have a sustained interest in perpetuating these gendered realizations of the feminine body, no matter how radical your politics, because pornography necessitates the distance between subject and viewer, allowing for vicarious experience. In a perfect world this distance would not be dangerous, but in our current patriarchal monetary society, it IS. Fundamentally. And all the sex between consenting individuals in the world cannot change that. All the happy and sexually secure women in the world cannot change that."

    For what it's worth, I'm a gaming woman who stumbled on this through D&D. I have an MA in archaeology from UCL via Midwestern town via shithole East Coast City; I'd say I'm attractive(seems relevant) and I've had an incredibly fulfilled deviant sexual life rife with conflict, love and drugs. I've been places and seen things and I'm wondering what sort of sexual vacuum our gaming pornstars live in.

    They're porn stars, it doesn't mean they know shit all about real people and real sexual dynamics.

    Meanwhile here I am writing to my senators about Planned Parenthood funding, listening to someone tell me that in 2011 we women are fully actualized beings capable of making our own choices that exist beyond media portrayal and narrow-minded political bigotry! Mandy and Zak live in a sexual paradise that does and can not exist for most in the current political climate, and they would do well not to forget it.

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  4. They're porn stars, it doesn't mean they -don't- know shit all about real people and real sexual dynamics.

    If you have a question about the education or experience of the people you are assuming things about, or who they know, best ask them.

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  5. Right, I vehemently projected the last part. I apologize.

    Scratch that line and the frustration it implies.

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  6. Thanks for the support, Brooke. I have pending comments on Mandy's blog as well. Either she is busy and not approving anyone as a result, or she is shutting down the debate.

    My wife has a B.A. In Archaeology, by the way. I have tied to keep myself well read in the field as a result.

    I can certainly empathise with your frustration. I was able to keep it fairly controlled with Zak. Vs Mandy and her commenters, not so much. It is hard to keep cool when people are saying that you are a terrible lover because of your positions on... Marketing. I guess you just have to accept people will say anything sometimes.

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  7. @Greg

    "Marketing"? Really? Don't be coy. You have a position. It extends far beyond "marketing". Are you really going to say "No, I did not express an opinion on anything other than the process of performing market research, selling products and/or services to customers and promoting them via advertising to further enhance sales".

    Don't play snapping turtle. You said stuff, it's there for everyone to see. People disagree with the -actual stuff- you said.

    If you think I am lying here, let me know, and I will quote back to you the many opinions you expressed on subjects far beyond "marketing" that people object to.

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  8. @ Zak

    Come on, I can't even throw a joke down?

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